Miss if targeted enemy dies?

[pjmcphee87]

Is it possible to have this game behave like older FF games, where you can't just spam the A button to win a fight?

I want it to miss if my character chooses to attack a specific enemy that happens to die before that character takes his turn.

[Angelo26]

Eh? I don't understand what is it that you want to do.

You want the attack to miss when...?

[Gi Nattak]

Like if the character targets/attacks a monster, but that monster gets defeated by another character before that first character's turn to attack that monster initiates, so instead of that character's targeting auto-switching to another monster, it would still attack the defeated monster who in no longer there, and inevitably miss - like it did in the very first Final Fantasies games. Sounds like de-evolution in terms of the battle engine, but to each is own.

[madsiur]

Is it possible to have this game behave like older FF games, where you can't just spam the A button to win a fight?

I want it to miss if my character chooses to attack a specific enemy that happens to die before that character takes his turn.

It probably possible to disable the auto-retargetting but some specific things have to be taken into consideration. You must first find a way to make a check on the targetted monster to see if he's still alive right before or at the very beginning of the character action. Then you must find a way to waste the character's turn (resetting his ATB gauge). There might be a place that you could only branch to a "miss attack routine" or portion of code if the check fail and that would be a lot simpler.

And I'm thinking about something else as I'm writing this: do you want that for all the types of attack (including special skills)? In this case you might have to change more code. The code related to those changes should be in C2 unless I'm mistaken. I might eventually take a look at this but now I don't have enough free time for that.

[pjmcphee87]

Like if the character targets/attacks a monster, but that monster gets defeated by another character before that first character's turn to attack that monster initiates, so instead of that character's targeting auto-switching to another monster, it would still attack the defeated monster who in no longer there, and inevitably miss - like it did in the very first Final Fantasies games. Sounds like de-evolution in terms of the battle engine, but to each is own.

A de-evolution indeed. I just liked how I had to pay attention to the battles in FF1, but in 4 and 6, I can just hold down the fast forward key in the emulator while holding down a, and walking back and forth on the world map, and in no time I've leveled a ton.

I guess I consider it a way to make the game a bit harder while not touching any levelling or monster stats.

It probably possible to disable the auto-retargetting but some specific things have to be taken into consideration. You must first find a way to make a check on the targetted monster to see if he's still alive right before or at the very beginning of the character action. Then you must find a way to waste the character's turn (resetting his ATB gauge). There might be a place that you could only branch to a "miss attack routine" or portion of code if the check fail and that would be a lot simpler.

And I'm thinking about something else as I'm writing this: do you want that for all the types of attack (including special skills)? In this case you might have to change more code. The code related to those changes should be in C2 unless I'm mistaken. I might eventually take a look at this but now I don't have enough free time for that.

That seems like a lot of work :S. It's not something I'm "that" passionate about, just something that popped in my head recently and I was wondering if it was possible or had been done before.

[Gi Nattak]

It's a great idea/mod, for sure. I bet many people would indeed like to add that oldschool feel to the battle engine, and your right about the holding the button down turbo thing. Try that in my hack, and the game over screen will show up faster than u could say "WTF?!" ^_^ haha..

[JCE3000GT]

That's one thing that I always thought the Final Fantasy series needed to keep. No more just using turbo or holding down "A" to win battles. That's one reason why I created my original FF2usHT and FF3usHT so you had to actually stop and strategize. Holding down "A" won't get you very far... Especially on MQHT.

[madsiur]

That seems like a lot of work :S. It's not something I'm "that" passionate about, just something that popped in my head recently and I was wondering if it was possible or had been done before.

That's one reason why I created my original FF2usHT and FF3usHT so you had to actually stop and strategize. Holding down "A" won't get you very far...

Well it seems it was already done and JCE knows more than me about it