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Made this using ff5 dragoon sprite still needs some colour and touch ups but looks good I think
https://i.imgur.com/Fp4aB37.jpg

Here’s my complete ff5 dragoon sprite https://imgur.com/a/saeXjaJ
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Here’s my best 1 yet. Ff record keeper kain with new recolour.

https://imgur.com/a/vhSh9Eo

Here’s record keeper kain again with straight arms and colour touch up https://imgur.com/6t3GJbv

Here’s dark knight Cecil with different battle pose https://imgur.com/a/wNlQeNR
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Here’s a holy dragoon kain with slight edit to arms and recolour https://i.imgur.com/5NHiU6c.jpg

Here’s his portrait https://i.imgur.com/OJZ55di.jpg

Here’s a much better do Cecil with slight recolour https://i.imgur.com/VDNUkrZ.jpg

Here’s a holy dragoon kain with slight edit to arms and recolour https://i.imgur.com/5NHiU6c.jpg

Here’s his portrait https://i.imgur.com/OJZ55di.jpg

Here’s a much better do Cecil with slight recolour https://i.imgur.com/VDNUkrZ.jpg
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Did you mean to link Holy Kain's portrait twice? Or was the second supposed to be Dk Cecil?

It might be my screen or how it loads but Holy Kain looks a bit bluer than I remember. Other than that, looks good. You are up to speed on sprite palettes, limitations, and requirements, right? Always took me a good bit of cussing for every single sprite palette, clear background color and getting them in a set order for status effects and such, but that's just me and I've only done it 10-20 times. I will say the older (slightly outdated) graphics gale was much easier to work with for that though (if your not used to any particular other software/version number for that task).
Each portrait has its own palette so that's fine as long as it doesn't use to many colors.

Last question, I could have swore I was using a DK Cecil around here somewhere. Depending on if I find where it is, and what parts I have, do you mind if I use yours if it fits better? (Turns out few sprinters make portraits for all their sprites, still having issues filling that section out.)

I do have to say (just my opinion on those game's, not these sprites) while cool, always felt Holy Kain was a bit overpowered, and that Paladin Cecil should have kept Dark Wave after becoming a Paladin. (Such as in the fightimg games he can swap dark/Paladin forms). Specially considering how OP holy Kain becomes, Cecil's hole deal was that he knew both the darkness AND the light... And cover + very light white magic didn't make for an epic end game character. Course, that's just my opinion. Still one of my favorite stories, both 4 and The after years together.


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I meant to link this sprite https://i.imgur.com/rh83WGc.jpg
Edited his arms a little on battle pose also he is a little bluer than normal as the light blue on his arms was a cream colour but was in last 4 colours of palette and couldn’t be used ( Edgar Sabin celes palette)

N I didn’t like after years because of graphics, love the old ff4 /ff6 graphics a lot more but would love a record keeper style after years. Wish someone would make it lol n yeah bro getting the hang of it it’s really tricky but I’m ok at drawing so I use that to help. 

Just found this  https://i.imgur.com/2kp7voX.jpg 

And created this https://i.imgur.com/Er2h0n3.jpg 

This is my best sprite I think looks like that’s the way Kane should look arms down n also feel free to use any of the sprites as I’m using other sprites and editing them so not mine.

Here’s the kain gif I used for image above https://i.imgur.com/0iTbqEr.gifv

(08-01-2022, 06:51 PM)Seifer Wrote: I meant to link this sprite https://i.imgur.com/rh83WGc.jpg
Edited his arms a little on battle pose also he is a little bluer than normal as the light blue on his arms was a cream colour but was in last 4 colours of palette and couldn’t be used ( Edgar Sabin celes palette)

N I didn’t like after years because of graphics, love the old ff4 /ff6 graphics a lot more but would love a record keeper style after years. Wish someone would make it lol n yeah bro getting the hang of it it’s really tricky but I’m ok at drawing so I use that to help. 

Just found this  https://i.imgur.com/2kp7voX.jpg 

And created this https://imgur.com/a/i1liipw

This is my best sprite I think looks like that’s the way Kane should look arms down n also feel free to use any of the sprites as I’m using other sprites and editing them so not mine.

Here’s the kain gif I used for image above https://i.imgur.com/0iTbqEr.gifv
Edit: forgot to change kain down facing sprite at bottom, fixed though

Here’s kain again with more original single leg animation https://i.imgur.com/GoJ6uzj.jpg 

This kain goes better with the original Cecil sprite (Metroid quests)
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Not bad at all. With my screwing around I ended up doing a lot of palette swaps from custom to vanilla. I was adding more sprites instead of replacing, so even with groups sharing a custom palette, I was still using the vanilla sprites. Pretty sure that's why I've spent to long looking at Kain and Cecil, yet didn't draw a sheet for either.

While I'm fairly certain a custom palette for each individual sprite is possible to assign and point to, I seem to recall some of those "unusable" colors are used for monster formations on the side. With the SNES limit of only loading X number of palettes at once (specially in battle) that's ... The practicality of doing it is a bit difficult. Still, as long as you use the standard format (it's around here somewhere in a spider's "basics" tutorial type post), its not overly complex to swap palettes, granted slight variations but within reason. I think there was an "in theory" discussion once that it MIGHT be possible, but it was all theory and still a ton of work.

As for comments/suggestions, is the sprite second to the right from the top left corner a walking sprite? And does it do the "head Bob" on walking? Not saying it needs changed, or that the head bob is bad, some times it looks fine, sometimes not so much. Could go either way (I haven't seen it animated), just something to look at, eventually.

Second note, that area with the kanji (is that right? Spell check is okay with that word, course it also fought with me just today with some word like "animated", properly spelled, and kept trying to change it to a completely different word, with different letters, that would be used on a YouTube beauty channel or some crap... Neither of which I ever used, viewed, or desired to use... F'n spell check...)

Anyway, the symbols next to the tent CAN be used as a sprite, if I remember correctly. It's not animated, but is still a "pose". For Kain? Could make one like holding the spear out in a battle type stance, similar to that GIF. I think I personally added one to the "monster" type sprite (like in the Narshe battle field at the start of FF6) that was a pretty poorly done "foaming at the mouth" type pose when I was filling out the partial sheet to a full on sheet. Think it started as a "surprised" sprite... I thought it was funny at least. Think I also used that spot and added the "celebs chained to wall sprite (which was an entirely different number) to her base sprite sheet to free up that slot. Some just sign their name in that slot, but I think that was more popular before the command to show it was found. Regardless, it can be used... So have fun with it!

Lastly, just to make this overly long post longer, speaking of "head bobbing" (which spell check wanted to change to "boning", another word I never use... I perfer the term "poking") the riding sprite. Considering the times its used, chocobos and M-tek armor. Most would compare a chocobo ride with riding a horse, which even a horse with a perfect gait, feel the bounce or not, viewers will see your head bob. M-Tek: large, bipedal machine. Unless that seat/cockpit has some unmilitaristic comfort suspension (doubtfully) you gonna bounce when walking.

A quick method, just cut an paste everything except the tiny legs, and drop it down a pixel or two. With someone like Kain, leave the ponytail practically in place and let the rest "bounce".

Please do forgive the overly long post, (I do have a problem with that) or if I'm saying things that are painfully obvious to you. Maybe you've already planned all of it, or want these all how they are. As I've said before, just throwing it out there. Maybe something to chew on, maybe something to forget as quickly as possible because I'm nuts and talk to much. Best of luck, regardless.


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Hey Catone I c what ur saying about head bobbing on chocobos and magitech armours riding sprites, never really put much time into them as was only a small part of the sprite but will probably start adding it to sprites as for the Japanese kanji part I just left that in cause was focused on the sprite but that idea with kain and spear pose, I like it, gonna try something with it, gi nattack gave me a dragoon sprite that had something like that. Here it is https://i.imgur.com/yIRFtTt.jpg

Here’s my custom ricard sprite made to look more like gba dawn of souls ricard https://i.imgur.com/wLRnaEe.jpg

Here’s his portrait https://i.imgur.com/heIx8HE.jpg

Here’s a custom dark knight Cecil (cyan) I’ve been working on https://i.imgur.com/Vf7Bk4d.jpg

Needs some work but think they look really good ?
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Yeah, An extra sprite of Kain with spear out just seems obvious thinking about, but something that would be fairly easy to find a place to add in. 

Depending on the character's personality and part in the story, I guess it could also be an extra animation in a "death scene". Instead of standing, kneeling, dead it could be standing, leaning on sword, kneeling, Dead.  Or something like wave1, wave2, extra wave3. Using it as part of a standard say "attack" in battle might be unreasonable, but for events lots of possibilities. 

The riding sprite, it's fairly quick, easy, and goes a long way to make it look like you actually spent more time than required because... Almost nobody really stares at the riding sprite less you don't have one.

Over all, looks like your definitly gonna have something good.


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Most of the sprites used by me were made by Ctrlxz so big shout out to him.

also gi nattack for all his help when I started out.
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Here’s my custom kain sprite, been working on this for a couple of days let me know what u all think 
https://imgur.com/a/pmFqhb8
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