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I don't know why you have to be so sceptic about my tests...

I already created and saw so much times(even recently) my code that it doesn't have any sense to ask me to check it better once more, why don't you check it on yourself, if you are so much sure that involves the first half?
Just go in my Czar challenge thread, in the first page there's the whole code...

Besides, the first 2 lines of my HP loop are indipendent from any other part of the code:

FC 12 01 00 ; If following monster is/are dead: #1
F5 00 00 01 ; Monsters #1 , if hidden/dead, brought in with their HP restored, suddently

There's no check above the first line, and what's below doesn't count at all: you have just revived the dragon, what can happen next? a sudden death, because one check below is failed? i haven't planned anything like that below...

The first thing that happens is the revival, have you ever tried to do something like that?
One other thing that you could try to put is the line that makes act the monster, even when quick is active...
Lockirby2 made me notice that it works even outside the quick effect, for example makes counter the dragon even while it's stopped.

PS. actually i've done those tests with the work-in-progress final version of the Czar, despite that, the resurrection code left unchanged.


You said:
"I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that your Czar Dragon is immune to poison and seizure, so that much at least isn't a problem. But if you set up a test (easy way is to just lower his HP to 1 in the editor) to have someone deal lethal damage to him via a Black Belt-induced counter-attack, you should find that he'll die like a regular enemy rather than being revived. "

No, really: What kind of tests do you think i made on him?
It takes less than 1 second to remove immunity to seizure, poison and to remove absorb/immunity to poison element, just for 1 test.
About the test battle, i damaged him until i left him to about 4000 hp and then poisoned/seizured him, after that i waited, until poison/seizure consumed its last HP remained, when it happened the dragon waited for some second, used discharge and then flashed and quasared me: the Czar is revived, and passed as always to the next form in other words.

About counter, i started the battle with only Terra alive with black belt and haven't done anything, except curing myself.
Each time Czar hitted me, Terra countered it with Atma: He never countered her counter, but after 1 minute or two, when Terra killed him using ONLY counterattacks, the dragon waited, discharged, flashed and finally quasared me: the Czar still revives as always and goes to the next form, just to be sure i've done the same with the second form... same result. The dragon moved to the third form.

Do you have need of a video in which i show you how my tests are done and the positive results listed above?

Anyway i really don't get how may ever help the first half of the script to save a monster from death: it dies and possibly reacts with the second half... if he dies in that moment, that's it. The monster is dead, he'll never have anymore the chance to trigger the first half, right?

That's all what my tests made me discover about counter:
(these notes are copy pasted from the file in which i'm writing the progress about Czar)

V- suicide test required(merton) -> no problems
V- freeze test -> effective, counterattacks anyway
V- seizure/poison test -> no problems
V- test stop counter(with quick) -> still counters
V- retort test -> still counters
V- counter test -> black belt is uncounterable, but death script
works properly...
?- Intercetor test -> still to test
?- Self target attack death -> still to test
(desperation test isn't there, because i have other tests to do with them, but it's countered)

I'm not saying that your knowledge about counters is worthless, but i'm going to put in discussion some points about that: After all i cannot ignore what my eyes has seen while testing.

My theory is that monster's death has actually a different priority from the one related to monster's counter: while Black belt bypass the counter, monster's death cannot be ignored.
But maybe that moment lasts only for the next action right after the death's check, if the monster is not revived immediately, then it dies and the rest of the code ignored, but if you revive him, then the game accept it and make continue the code of the check.

Believe it or not, that's basically what happens with my Czar, there's no hidden/untold code in the second half related to the hp loop.


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About desperation moves... - by Tenkarider - 07-05-2014, 10:54 AM
RE: About desperation moves... - by Gi Nattak - 07-05-2014, 01:47 PM
RE: About desperation moves... - by Tenkarider - 07-05-2014, 06:17 PM
RE: About desperation moves... - by Gi Nattak - 07-05-2014, 06:32 PM
RE: About desperation moves... - by Tenkarider - 07-05-2014, 09:00 PM
RE: About desperation moves... - by madsiur - 07-06-2014, 01:30 PM
RE: About desperation moves... - by Tenkarider - 07-07-2014, 09:28 AM
RE: About desperation moves... - by BTB - 07-07-2014, 10:08 AM
RE: About desperation moves... - by Tenkarider - 07-07-2014, 11:43 AM
RE: About desperation moves... - by Gi Nattak - 07-07-2014, 05:56 PM
RE: About desperation moves... - by Tenkarider - 07-07-2014, 07:28 PM
RE: About desperation moves... - by Gi Nattak - 07-07-2014, 07:35 PM
RE: About desperation moves... - by Tenkarider - 07-07-2014, 07:48 PM
RE: About desperation moves... - by BTB - 07-07-2014, 11:18 PM
RE: About desperation moves... - by Tenkarider - 07-08-2014, 12:43 AM
RE: About desperation moves... - by madsiur - 07-08-2014, 12:46 AM
RE: About desperation moves... - by BTB - 07-08-2014, 03:04 AM
RE: About desperation moves... - by Tenkarider - 07-08-2014, 04:32 AM
RE: About desperation moves... - by BTB - 07-08-2014, 04:35 AM
RE: About desperation moves... - by Tenkarider - 07-08-2014, 04:37 AM
RE: About desperation moves... - by BTB - 07-08-2014, 05:18 AM
RE: About desperation moves... - by Tenkarider - 07-08-2014, 06:43 AM
RE: About desperation moves... - by BTB - 07-08-2014, 08:52 AM
RE: About desperation moves... - by Tenkarider - 07-08-2014, 10:41 AM
RE: About desperation moves... - by BTB - 07-12-2014, 03:37 AM
RE: About desperation moves... - by Tenkarider - 07-12-2014, 04:27 AM
RE: About desperation moves... - by BTB - 07-12-2014, 07:30 AM
RE: About desperation moves... - by Tenkarider - 07-12-2014, 08:16 AM
RE: About desperation moves... - by BTB - 07-12-2014, 10:04 AM
RE: About desperation moves... - by Tenkarider - 07-12-2014, 10:26 AM
RE: About desperation moves... - by BTB - 07-12-2014, 12:25 PM
RE: About desperation moves... - by Tenkarider - 07-12-2014, 12:40 PM
RE: About desperation moves... - by BTB - 07-12-2014, 12:41 PM
RE: About desperation moves... - by Tenkarider - 07-12-2014, 01:01 PM
RE: About desperation moves... - by BTB - 07-12-2014, 06:59 PM
RE: About desperation moves... - by Tenkarider - 07-12-2014, 08:28 PM
RE: About desperation moves... - by BTB - 07-13-2014, 06:56 AM
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