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Request: No items lost at Colosseum - Lightning - 09-24-2018
I was playing through my mod today, and I realized that every time I lose a match at the Colosseum, I merely reset the game and try again rather than lose my valuable item (and have done so for years with FF6). It got me thinking: does anyone EVER actually let themselves lose a valuable item, or do they just hit the reset button like I do? I mean really, what is the point of losing an item when you just reset the game anyway? In my opinion, it is especially annoying resetting the game on real hardware, since you have to watch the whole intro again, plus I don't actually like resetting old hardware over and over.
So, is it easy to hack the game so items are not lost when you lose a match?
RE: Request: No items lost at Colosseum - madsiur - 09-24-2018
Basically you're looking into removing all the following code. The most efficient way to do this without too much trouble is writing a BRA $49C4 at $C2499E.
Code:
C2/499E: AD 97 3A LDA $3A97
C2/49A1: F0 21 BEQ $49C4 (branch if not Colosseum brawl)
C2/49A3: AD 05 02 LDA $0205 (item wagered)
C2/49A6: C9 FF CMP #$FF
C2/49A8: F0 1A BEQ $49C4 (branch if null)
C2/49AA: A2 FF 00 LDX #$00FF
C2/49AD: DD 69 18 CMP $1869,X (is item wagered in this slot?)
C2/49B0: D0 0F BNE $49C1 (branch if not)
C2/49B2: DE 69 19 DEC $1969,X (if it was, decrement the item's count as
a Colosseum fee)
C2/49B5: F0 02 BEQ $49B9 (if there's none of the item left, empty
out its slot)
C2/49B7: 10 08 BPL $49C1 (if there's a nonzero and positive quantity
of the item, don't empty out its slot)
C2/49B9: A9 FF LDA #$FF
C2/49BB: 9D 69 18 STA $1869,X (store Empty item)
C2/49BE: 9E 69 19 STZ $1969,X (with a quantity of 0)
C2/49C1: CA DEX (move to next lowest item slot)
C2/49C2: 10 E9 BPL $49AD (loop for all 256 item slots)RE: Request: No items lost at Colosseum - PowerPanda - 09-24-2018
And if my math is right, the hex for that is simply "80 24", followed by 24 "EA"s. If that makes your cursor stop on C2/49C4, then it's correct.
RE: Request: No items lost at Colosseum - madsiur - 09-24-2018
(09-24-2018, 09:15 PM)PowerPanda Wrote: And if my math is right, the hex for that is simply "80 24", followed by 24 "EA"s. If that makes your cursor stop on C2/49C4, then it's correct.
Thanks I was too lazy to calculate, I always forget if you start counting on the BRA opcode, on its argument or after it...
I could have provided this too, the most useless ASM file:
Code:
hirom
org $C2499E
bra branch
org $C249C4
branch:RE: Request: No items lost at Colosseum - Lightning - 09-25-2018
Thanks, this is a good solution for now. In a perfect world, the Colosseum would have another system in place, like paying gold to bet items - maybe 1/4 the cost of the item being bet and 10,000 for all rare items (items costing 2 gold in FF3usME) - but i'm sure that would be extremely difficult to code. Maybe someday when someone has a lot of time to kill they can do it.
Edit: The gold system would actually be quite cool, because it would give the player something to do with all that money later in the game after all possible items are purchased. I can only dream!
RE: Request: No items lost at Colosseum - PowerPanda - 09-25-2018
Ah, but now you're talking OAM data, which is a pain in the Chocobo. I can't even get someone to take on an OAM task to finish off the complete roster hack. (The only thing standing in the way of its completion is adding the 15th and 16th characters to the shop screen.)
RE: Request: No items lost at Colosseum - Lightning - 09-25-2018
(09-25-2018, 09:23 AM)PowerPanda Wrote: Ah, but now you're talking OAM data, which is a pain in the Chocobo. I can't even get someone to take on an OAM task to finish off the complete roster hack. (The only thing standing in the way of its completion is adding the 15th and 16th characters to the shop screen.)
Yeah, I figured it would be a ridiculously hard task, which is why I just wanted the item loss function to be disabled instead. Maybe down the road the Colosseum system can be changed. If you really think about it, the original game should have had a betting system involving money instead of just losing the item you bet. I guarantee all the people here reset their game when they lose a rare item. I mean really, who would actually bet their Ragnarok and consider it a loss if they didn't win the battle and get the Illumina? If it was just some gold lost, I wouldn't bother resetting the game.
RE: Request: No items lost at Colosseum - Gi Nattak - 09-25-2018
While having the item bet lost is the penalty for loosing the match, resetting the game to get it back is also a punishment of sorts as it takes time! I'd imagine everyone does do that, unless it's some sort of challenge run, but yeah you're right.
An alternate money system would be a pretty neat alternative, I agree. Though, I'd imagine there would still be a reset if the player lost enough moneys lol.
RE: Request: No items lost at Colosseum - PowerPanda - 09-25-2018
The other problem with that is where you would get the monetary value from. Most rare items have a value of 2GP. I just don't think it's a realistic possibility for your hack.
RE: Request: No items lost at Colosseum - Lightning - 09-25-2018
(09-25-2018, 03:07 PM)PowerPanda Wrote: The other problem with that is where you would get the monetary value from. Most rare items have a value of 2GP. I just don't think it's a realistic possibility for your hack.
Well, my thought for that was just to have a generic value for any item worth 2GP (something like 2 GP = 5,000GP bet or something). But yeah, the idea is probably still not all that practical to code.
(09-25-2018, 03:05 PM)Gi Nattak Wrote: While having the item bet lost is the penalty for loosing the match, resetting the game to get it back is also a punishment of sorts as it takes time! I'd imagine everyone does do that, unless it's some sort of challenge run, but yeah you're right.
An alternate money system would be a pretty neat alternative, I agree. Though, I'd imagine there would still be a reset if the player lost enough moneys lol.
Haha, true. An example is the casino in the Dragon Quest series. Whenever I lost enough money, I would just reset the game rather than go out and earn it all back. Lol.
Uh, whoops. I guess I forgot to specify in my original post that I only wanted the player to keep the item they are betting if they lose a match. Madsiur's patch above also makes it so you don't lose an item when winning a match, which means you can get unlimited of anything (including Illumina's). Can Madsiur's patch be tweaked to only prevent item loss when the player loses a match? If you win, your current item should still be traded for the new one.